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  The fundamental flaw with the WTBTS as "God's Organization"?

  by Essan in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  there are countless issues that people have with the society and which together have led to many people realizing that it is not what it claims and pretends to be.

  these include things like the secret un affiliation, contradictory and hypocritical stances, (malawi vs mexico vs un/ngo), the ever changing blood policy and ever changing doctrine, failed predictions for armageddon etc, etc, etc.. but what is the consensus about what the fundamental flaw is?.

  what i mean is, many jw's hear about these various issues and manage to make endless excuses for them, even though this involves gross hypocrisy and excusing the society for things they would never excuse in other religions and which the society itself has ruthless condemned other religions for over almost 100 years.

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  I don't think all of them think that the F&DS is God's infallible channel. At one point, as early Bible Studies or children, yes, but after years and starting to see things as they are, not so much.

  I think the fundamental flaw is not in the organization itself, but rather, in people's desire "to be right", to be "the only ones with the truth", to "feel special, be special" compared to others.

  This fundamental flaw not only makes the Jehovah's Witnesses religion work, but Mormons, Muslims, and many other faiths as well.

  That, coupled with a life vested in belief, makes changing difficult even when confronted with compelling contrary evidence. This leads to defending instead of changing.
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  The text for the day is SUREAL!!!!!

  by elderelite in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  dig the text for today... beyond sureal... cognitive dissonance at its worst!!!!!!.

  textforthursday,august12,2010.

  notbelieveeveryinspiredexpression,buttesttheinspiredexpressionstoseewhethertheyoriginatewithgod.1 john4:1.. .

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  I'm late on this, but it is funny that in the same sentence that they quote the Scripture "do not go beyond", they use a synonym for "go beyond" when they then say "by extension" to self-expand coverage to the F&DS .

  (hey, when you read that acronym out loud, it's the "effin dee ess"!)
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  Once a cheater, always a cheater

  by Quillsky in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if you discover, while getting to know a potential partner, that they have cheated on a previous partner........ don't touch them.

  run run run.. in my opinion a cheat remains a cheat.

  opportunity is the variable.. please discuss..

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  Any non-cheaters willing to step up?

  How do you expect a non-cheater to weigh in on whether or not a cheater is always a cheater... you have to walk in those shoes first, to know.

  I believe in very few absolutes. To paint all cheaters {insert any other label, too} with the same brush is a broad stroke of bias.
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  DVD "JW's Faith In Action, part 1 Out of Darkness" Omits! Omits! Omits!

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been watching the new dvd and it is a bull fest about russell.

  i haven't even gotten half way and they already excluded one very important bit of information.

  you'll recall that russell "lost" his faith and "turning away from church creeds and searching for truth, russell examined some leading oriental religions, only to find these unsatisfying".

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  Thanks, Booby. I uploaded the torrent to a better location:

  http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5698093

  If you've never downloaded a Torrent before, here's how:

  http://www.wikihow.com/Download-Torrents

  I recommend the uTorrent client.
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  DVD "JW's Faith In Action, part 1 Out of Darkness" Omits! Omits! Omits!

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been watching the new dvd and it is a bull fest about russell.

  i haven't even gotten half way and they already excluded one very important bit of information.

  you'll recall that russell "lost" his faith and "turning away from church creeds and searching for truth, russell examined some leading oriental religions, only to find these unsatisfying".

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  @Booby: Thanks for trying! I see you connected and pulling it down... please let me know how it works out. I'll keep seeding in case others want to grab it--with a few of us out there seeding, it can stay available for a while.
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  DVD "JW's Faith In Action, part 1 Out of Darkness" Omits! Omits! Omits!

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been watching the new dvd and it is a bull fest about russell.

  i haven't even gotten half way and they already excluded one very important bit of information.

  you'll recall that russell "lost" his faith and "turning away from church creeds and searching for truth, russell examined some leading oriental religions, only to find these unsatisfying".

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  bttt to see if I can get a Torrent leacher to try my FIA torrent and seed it out there. I haven't seen any peers attach yet. Thanks!
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  DVD "JW's Faith In Action, part 1 Out of Darkness" Omits! Omits! Omits!

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been watching the new dvd and it is a bull fest about russell.

  i haven't even gotten half way and they already excluded one very important bit of information.

  you'll recall that russell "lost" his faith and "turning away from church creeds and searching for truth, russell examined some leading oriental religions, only to find these unsatisfying".

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  Got the DVD, ripped high quality MP4 H.264 format video. Trying to make my first Torrent, since it's 699MB for the two parts. Will one of you torrent-leachers try it, then continue seeding? PM me if you can't reach the file... I may need to unlock a port on my router.

  http://www.sendspace.com/file/x3r99o
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  Ray Franz has had a stroke

  by coffee_black in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just setting the record straight.

  there is another thread that notes a claim on wiki that said that ray has died.. he had a stroke yesterday, and is in the hospital.

  he is still alive.

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  A close friend brought this to my attention on FB. My heart goes out to Cynthia, and my gratitude to Ray for his courage to write the book CoC. It helped resolve the cognitive dissonance I was experiencing in my last days as a JW; he truly helped me be able to leave with a clear conscience and free my family from the untruth of what they call "the truth". I only wish I could have met the man, and thanked him in person. I'll be sending a card to Cynthia--I wish I'd had the address earlier, so I could have thanked Ray properly.
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  Newspaper article collection, 1950's onward

  by TJ - iAmCleared2Land in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  interesting collection of old newspaper articles about witness conventions and such in the 1950's onward:.

  http://ia331426.us.archive.org/3/items/watchtowernewsscrapbook/watchtower_news_scrap_book.pdf.

  the articles and pictures are revealing..

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  TJ - iAmCleared2Land

  Interesting collection of old newspaper articles about Witness conventions and such in the 1950's onward:

  http://ia331426.us.archive.org/3/items/WatchtowerNewsScrapBook/Watchtower_News_Scrap_Book.pdf

  The articles and pictures are revealing.
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  Mind Control Cults

  by TJ - iAmCleared2Land in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a non-jw pilot friend of mine who doesn't know i was a jw sent me this, with the title "mind control made easy!".

  it was eerie to watch this and recognize the similarities.

  it could be useful in helping a current jw who has doubts "get out", as it is not produced by an ex-jw.

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  The similarities are uncanny, for sure. Now, this video was about "designing a cult"; do you think the WTBTS was "designed" from the get-go (by Russell) to be a cult, or slowly morphed into one with the characteristics described in the video?